Why Does God Discipline Some Christians with Death? // Ask Pastor John

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  1. Hello, Dr Piper? I think my question is serious enough to merit an answer. Who we are talking about are Christians who have fallen away…they can never “lose” salvation, so how can they be “condemned to death?”

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  2. What happens if you were saved then fell into sin but ended up repenting. Yet the sin holds on to you and you’re finding it impossible to let go. Have you been given over to death at that point? What happens if you truly repent? Will God ignore the request of forgiveness if he’s truly given you over to death for his glory? Is there still hope?

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  3. Is he talking about a physical death or a spiritual death? If this is regarding a spiritual death and falling from the faith, how exactly is that done in love?

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  4. That's an easy one. It doesn't because it isn't real. So keep the fantasy alive you full grown child minded fucktards.

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  5. Thank you pastor John. However saying, “God knows best” is too typical and helps only those who maybe struggling with some unknown suffering. That is good in itself but what about the hardcore skeptics? I feel It’s not a good enough answer. Rather I would say that our suffering and death is meant to bring God glory. God is for God and ultimately every joy and death he wants to point it back to him even if WE don’t see it. He is in a way…selfish…divinely selfish. Tough to swallow but I submit even to this because…He knows best. ^^

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  6. +Marty Blackham..you are Right..I Pick Gods Words to Believe..Not the words of Men. Paul or Piper. They are clueless. If you Do as Jesus Asked..He Will Teach you and then you will understand. Until then you are clueless with them..and it is ok..it is your choice. I have chosen the better part..as Jesus Said. I have found the pearl. You guys..keep looking! Mary got it Right the First time Jesus explained it. You men are a litte slow!

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  7. i thought i would be satisfied with lusting after naked women on the internet but felt shame, guilt and depression after. why because i dont like degrading women into a sex object without a real connection of intimacy…

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  8. I am still confused. You say God will take them to keep them from everlasting condemnation. What does that mean? If it is a Christian He is taking, how is that possible? Christians are not condemned once under the blood.

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  9. Merciful Judgement of God is not to Kill His Children but to give those over who reject his Mercy and Grace and faith and want there own desire, God will release them over to the Satan who is the murderer. God does not kill to Chasten His Children, Chastening can be pain because of our pride and carnality but he doesn’t destroy His Children. In the context of the whole scripture he speaks of those who bring heresy and division using as we call communion as a time to feast and get drunk.(1cor11:19) These are those who are not within the body but without 1cor5:12-13.
    To answer this question with God does kill is to not read in context or know the contextualised heart of God. This teaching must be silenced. It is dangerous.

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  10. I am often hearing about many people who can't feel the presence of God. Because of this it drives them into fear and then they believe they are condemned as a result or the holy Spirit left them so now God can see all your sins. Could you clarify what this phenomenon is? Is God doing a work in them or are they condemned. Have you known anyone who is going through the lack of feeling that peace that surpasses all understanding or you yourself have ever experienced this phenomenon. Is it possible the holy spirit can be removed from an individual and as a result they lose the peace as well?

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  11. Maaaan this was so relevant to me in the eating of the lords supper. My final sin is sometimes gluttony i am trying to control. Continually going back to the lord for help after he so clearly disciplines me after i eat to much.

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  12. I’m so satisfied by the answer pastor John gave, that’s the very things God allows all sickness, weakness even death, in all these His love is deep and even more deep than we can imagine He does good continuel good to us. I really desire to have power to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ Jesus, while living on this earth.

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  13. Because they do not judge themselves.
    1 Corinthians 11:26-32 KJVS
    [26] For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. [27] Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. [28] But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. [29] For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. [30] For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. [31] For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. [32] But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
    I try to remember to pray the perfect prayer every day.
    Matthew 6:9-13 KJVS
    [9] After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. [10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. [11] Give us this day our daily bread. [12] And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. [13] And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

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  14. I'm reminded of the couple in the first couple of chapters of acts that doesn't give all the money they got from selling of land to the early church.

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  15. I suppose God does everything for His glory. In addition, to put on display all His divine attributes. Nevertheless, how could we learn about His mercy, grace, justice , righteousness, e.t.c?

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  16. My gosh golly gee whiz you guys are fucking morons. There is no bottom floor to your stupidity, gullibility, and insanity.

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  17. OMG I DON'T WANT TO DIE IVE BEEN A HORRIBLE CHRISTIAN IVE FALLEN INTO GROSS SIN DRUGS AN ALCOHOL.MY FAMILY IS DIEING I WISH I WAS NEVER BORN GOD PLEASE PLEASE GIVE ME REPENTANCE

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  18. Those who are disciplined with death because they went beyond space to repent turning from ignoring many warnings.

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  19. There is no life after death according to Scripture….just as we do not have an undying soul.

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  20. Does this then indicate increasing severity levels of God's punishment for true believers in sin? As in, you commit a sin and there's a consequence, you continue to sin greater and still haven't repented so the consequences increase, and finally if a believer will simply not quit sinning and has no repentance then God takes their life yet without a condemnation unto the second death?

    Or, and this is what I'm really getting at here, does God allow some believers to continue so deeply in their sin that they are cut off, like the unfruitful vines in John 15 or those who taste the goodness of God and walk away and can never return in Hebrews 6?

    This question has a lot of implications of losing salvation, in my opinion. The overall takeaway here, however, is this: God help me! Have mercy on me and do a powerful work through your loving grace to bring me closer to you each day that passes! Thank you God for having mercy on me and saving me when I was deep in darkness.

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  21. It is really all about "murder by neglect," please read on…

    I can not figure out why so many cannot read 1st Corinthians 11 and follow Paul's message. 1 Corinthians 11 is about partaking of the Lord’s Supper properly as well as our judging ourselves. Truly, I have encountered very few people who have truly properly interpreted this whole chapter, and thus few, like Mike who asks the question, and John Piper with His answer (which truly shocked me). People truly need to get away from God killing His people as a discipline to keep them from greater sin; when God does kills "His people," it is because they've provoked Him to wrath, not discipline. People really need to see what Paul was truly concerned about when he stated they needed to judge themselves; and why it really was that people were becoming weak, sick, and even some dying. Because the reality is that many within the Corinth Church were being guilty of, what I would personally categorize as, “murder by neglect.”

    To start, Paul begins by reproving the Corinthians for how they were coming together for this sacred ritual; whereby we are to both focus upon and “show the Lord’s death” till He returns for us as His glorious Church, who is to be as a wife who truly has “made herself ready.” For the problem he is addressing concerns the richer believers in Corinth who were celebrating the Lord’s Supper as if it was a “feast day,” and I do not mean a holy day. I mean they were literally coming together like a bunch of gluttons and stuffing themselves while others, who were poorer, went with little or without. See verses below –

    I Corinthians 11:17 – Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. 18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

    Now, what might those heresies have been? Perhaps, it was the root of the prosperity message beginning in the church; that those who had plenty were looking down on the have-nots and judging them as being in their state of poverty because they weren’t being blessed by the Lord because they lacked faith or were unfaithful to the Lord. Unquestionably, this still happens in and out of churches everywhere all the time So Paul continues addressing them with how these heresies have affected their assembling together by causing “divisions”-

    I Corinthians 11:20 – When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. 21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. 22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

    It is critical that we do not lose sight that this is the point of sin with them that Paul is “judging” them and reproving them over. Such is why he stressed that having a “Lord’s Supper” gathering isn’t a feast day, but rather a day or remembering the very cost whereby each was saved and why the Lord endeavors to “fitly joined [us] together.”

    I Corinthians 11:23 – For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when He had given thanks, He brake it, and said, “Take and eat, for this is My body, which is broken for you [ALL]: this do in remembrance of Me.” 25 After the same manner also He took the cup, when he had supped, saying, “This cup is the new testament in My blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till He come.

    Such is why it is prudent to review the ground work Paul laid on this subject earlier in his epistle to the Corinthians, for previously he mentioned to them communion in such a way that their pride would have caused them to agree with him, for he called them wise men and asked them to judge whether what he was saying was true or not. But being “carnal” as they were, they would have first and foremost thought individually of themselves as being such “wise men” and thus qualifying as being members of the body of Christ; those who have a right to be “partakers of that one bread,” …just as they had thought only of themselves in their preparation for feasting.

    1 Corinthians 10:15 – I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say. 16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

    Thus, when Paul tells them that they are eating and drinking unworthily, and therefore “eateth and drinketh damnation to himself,” it is because they are “not discerning the Lord's body.” Meaning, they were failing to discern the other people, those who had not, as being fellow members of the body of Christ for which Jesus died, equal brethren in the eyes of the Lord which were fellow heirs with them of the promises of God. Rather, they were neglecting the poor members of that “one bread” who were to be equal “partakers of that one bread,” that many of the poor were, as I stated earlier, becoming weak, sickly, and some even dying needlessly.

    Again, it was murder by neglect. They should have been caring equally one for another, without partiality, bearing one another’s burdens; no one lacking. Which is why in the next chapter he stresses there should not be any divisions of “schisms” among them as believers.

    1 Corinthians 12:25 – That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

    Our “judging ourselves” is simply to examine ourselves it we are indeed being Christ-like; loving and caring for others as we ourselves have become benefactors of His love, life, and death. For how can we truly have a holy communion with others if we are being guilty of not recognizing them as those for whom Jesus Christ also died? Brotherly kindness always begins with brotherly mindfulness; for where there is no thought of others, there will always be neglect. That is why Paul concluded his reproof to them as he did –

    I Corinthians 11:33 – Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. 34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

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  22. 1 Corinthians 11:32 TPT
    [32] But when we are judged, it is the Lord's training so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

    The idea that God kills his children just another heresy from Calvinist idiocy..

    Chastisement will NEVER BE part of John 10:10.. The thief comes to steal, kill and destroy…

    GOD THE FATHER DOES NOT KILL HIS CHILDREN TO CHASTEN THEM.. GOD IS NOT A CHILD ABUSER…

    Calvinist have Educationalized scripture to a level not seen from any other sect…

    GOD IS LOVE.. LOVE DOES NOT ACT IN THAT MANNER!!!

    Simply put.. and politely your a bunch of Moran’s that has perverted the Character of the God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac…

    Just think… what we as human parents WOULD NEVER DO… to our children…

    God will do to us??? Mans Love as per Calvinist is Greater than Gods Love.. And Calvinist believe this is being humble and giving glory to the Father..

    Calvinist… TURN YOUR SPIRIT ON.. your human brain is in control..

    This is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit…Calling evil what is Holy…

    Matthew 12:25-32…

    The wrath of God.. we’ll that’s a different story..

    Romans 1:18 NKJV
    [18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

    That would be Calvinist.. who daily suppress the truth with their unrighteous doctrines..

    Repent… John…Every scripture you mentioned is misapplied to arrive at this devilish conclusion…

    Do you think that just maybe.. they died because of disobedience in following Gods Word?

    Disobedience is not God Killing….

    If I choose to jump off a cliff… ITS NOT GOD ITS ME!!!! If I choose to disregard Gods Word.. ITS NOT GODS FAULT… it’s me….

    What’s biblically easy.. is difficult for those who believe in the stupidity of Calvinism…

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  23. So am I given to understand that my husband's being crushed to death by a car falling on him was God's way of disciplining him? My husband had been saved many years ago, but was not active in church. I always thought that God knows the exact day we die, having decided that before we were ever formed in our mother's womb, but this video makes me think that are times when God changes that date in order to discipline us. Is that what is being said? Diane in North Carolina

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  24. Jesus Said.."Obey My Sayings and Seek Me and My Righteousness EveryDay..and I will Give you Everything you Need.. and I will Deliver you from Evil." This is Jesus Gospel and Jesus Promise. If you are going to believe Paul..you make Jesus a Liar. That bull crap in Corinthians is an opinion of Paul..just like women covering their heads and men better off celibate. Why do you people Not believe Jesus? and follow Paul? He does not even teach what Jesus Taught. He teaches his own gospel.

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