Theology of Arts



are you guys ready for this what does the Bible have to say about art we're gonna figure that out today before we start why don't we just turn the person next to you if you haven't introduced yourself at share your name and maybe share the the last thing you remember that really really inspired you it could be anything it could be a person it could be a landscape it could be a moment in time just share something that really inspired you last that you last remember just person next to you yeah so today we're at part two of welcome to Saddleback visual arts this is a community of artists that loves to create and knows that creating is actually really really important for our personal lives and for our life in the church and through the church in the city it's something that our church really values and we're going to talk about why today why does our church value art why is it important that we have the arts in the church and support artists like yourselves what does scripture have to say about the arts and the value of the Arts in our church in our lives in our cities and as part of our relationship with God I'm sure you guys are all here today because those are questions that you ask yourself I've asked myself those questions and we believe that these are some some things that scripture has to say to show us hey here here's why God values the arts here's why God values that talent that you have for seeing color or writing poetry or making films what does that have to do with our purpose in the kingdom for bringing heaven to earth for living out the purposes that Christ has for us what do our create the talents have to do with that so we're going to share about that today and some of it will be discussion and we we say it's a theology of arts or a framework for artists of faith so these are just a few guide locks for you guys this is going to be two hours of just discussing talking looking thinking if you're here next week our our next series will be all about you at a more personal level so it's called your creative calling and our next session and that's all about how God created you uniquely to make an impact in the community through what he gave you to do with your with your natural abilities your talents your heart what you love to do we believe that God wants to work through you in exactly in those things right where you are the life experiences that he gave you he wants to use exactly those things to make an impact in the community around you so it's not this having to try and stir things up it's exactly who he made you naturally so that's what we're gonna talk about next week we're gonna discover that together this week is more about this is this is all of us this is what scripture has to say to every single one of us we made up a pretty wonderful acronym it's very easy to remember because it's exactly what we're talking about it's a arty art it's abundant relational and transcendent these are the things that we believe reflect who God is and reflect or and naturally make their way through the arts the arts are naturally these things and so this is it just is easy to have it be part of our life in the church in our life in ministry because the arts so wonderfully and naturally reflect the God that we worship and the God that we want to see in and through our communities of faith the arts just do that by their nature and so we don't have to stir anything up it's just really good that we have the arts as a presence we have you guys in our communities of faith and here at Saddleback because we believe it very naturally reflects who our God is so just in your booklets we're actually going to start on part one here art and faith talking about why our church values art right there on page three and that first that first line is abundant abundant this is a tree that we created one of the first years that our ministry was doing ministry together and this tree I think reflects that abundance the first place we see trees is chapter one in Genesis when God creates the heavens and the earth he puts trees in the garden and the beautiful thing that God says about these trees through this reddit writer in Genesis is that they were first pleasant to the site and then they were good for food Furion closely that's just so beautiful that first God made something that was for pleasure for us so we talked about what our church is need Oh what should we do with that money should we give it to the poor or should we use it for making this space more beautiful I think God would say oh it's up to you what's happening right now what what's the last thing you use money for it's not one or the other every single time God cares about both function and beauty he wants us to be working with the least and the lost in using our resources to help others in really practical ways and help our churches in really the practical ways but he also wants us to experience beauty and pleasure that's what usually the main argument that happens around the arts is should we be investing in this I think when we look just in chapter 1 and 2 of Genesis we see already that God is saying I value beauty and pleasure and abundance to the point that I make these trees to feed you but I made these trees for your pleasure for your visual pleasures for you to be able to sit and shade to be able to see them grow through the seasons and change over time they're not just these machines that make food for us and there's the there are these beautiful living sculptures right that is just incredible that God made those for us and those there's one example we have our we have all five of our senses our sight our smell our our sense of hearing and touch what else what did I miss taste so God gave us all of these senses and he he really didn't have to right that was a choice of his to give us all of these senses to sense the beauty and abundance of the world we didn't have to have thousands of different tastes even in just the fruits and vegetables and grains that grow out of the ground but he gave us that he chose to gave us he chose to give us that that's a beautiful thing and it speaks it should speak to you in your vocation as a creative that what you create to give to the world for their pleasure is is something that God wants and loves and he's inviting you in to that story he said yes come and create with me create so that we can give out to the world and have that overflow to the people around us and create even more abundance and on Wonder and pleasure have you guys ever wondered about that before yeah I'm here in the studio making this painting and it's about something beautiful that I saw the other day and I was inspired by it and I'm making this work of art and then there's this problem in the world there's terrorism there's natural disasters there's people who need help there's the poor what am I doing here why am i right here in this little studio right now or in my garage or in my living room making this work of art I think we can go back to what God ordains and values and says yes this is good this is very good beauty is what I want unleash into the world so that's that's the first thing that we need to remember as artists that God loves the abundant secondly the arts are relational the arts are relational just naturally and we know that God is relational because he sent himself to be with us in the form of Jesus Christ is that I don't want to just have you learn about me in Scripture I don't want to be a distant God I want to be God with you Emmanuel that's what that word means Emmanuel I believe the word imminent and Emmanuel share the same root and imminent means very much with you it's it's it's not up and away but it's here and now and that's who our God wants to be and we know that because of Jesus coming to spend 33 years of his life you could say with us he drank with us he walked with us he got down into the dirt with us he was born just like every single one of us was born he died probably a more brutal death than any of us will so he lived the real grit of life God chose to be with us because he is a relational God so we love how the arts can be relational – and how they can help us live out this value of the God that we worship for our community our broader community so there's us as a community of creatives and then our broader community let me speak about our broader community first the arts naturally create new conversation and relationship have you guys ever seen this happen maybe it's with a concert you go to the concert you're there with a bunch of strangers but at the same time the crowd feels like they're so together and so United when you're listening to this this art on stage this music on stage that's coming out of these these creatives and you're like hey these are my people this is my tribe and you feel United and you're jumping up and down with these people and you're singing the same songs that creates unity that's through music how else can the arts create unity you guys ever listen to a poet in a room and they're there like pouring out their heart they're pouring out their life story sometimes through poetry for me and this can be through music too that I feel so United and so like there's like a relationship that's it's between myself and the artist even if we haven't even talked to each other they're sharing their life story through this art form and there's a unity that comes and there's a conversation that comes and I can talk to my friends what what do you think that meant or what did you see in that or that that really made me feel deeply about you name it and you can start to relate with people on a new level I've stood in front of works of art and started conversations with strangers that I would have never talked to before because that kind of like third part of the triangle myself the other person and the work of art becomes that way that we can start to relate with one another in a way that wasn't really possible before right you guys ever felt that we love when the arts can do that and when we do interactive art pieces on the patio or do gallery shows or every weekend when you hear the music that's about bringing people together the arts are naturally relational for artists we believe that the church ought to be a place where artists naturally find a home and a community and I love that you guys are here right now because this is not just a place to learn it's a place to gather together and know each other and be in relationship with each other so we've done our best to create a community of creatives that can build each other up encourage each other speak on the same level talk in the same language that you can push each other to that next level encourage each other in just the way that you need that really nobody else can speak into in quite the same way does anybody ever yearn for a community like that I believe that there's something here I really do so the arts are relational in those two ways and we hope to continue carrying those out through our community and you are here to help us in that in that mission thirdly for to complete this word the arts are transcendent arts are transcendent our God is a God of transcendence it's an interesting word right does anybody know that actually means a simple definition could be that when the heavens meet earth when heaven meets earth that's where transcendence happens often we talk about God as distant unknowing I can't hear God I don't see God but the number one thing I always talk to people about when they're struggling with that is to stop looking beyond yourself and look right in front of you or kind of like look right inside you or look in the eyes of the person that's right in front of you that's where God is look to look to nature that's right in front of you as you're taking a walk in a pathway in your community that you don't have to look beyond and into the clouds and beyond the light into the immaterial that God is in the material at least the God of the scriptures that we are reading through today the Old Testament and the New Testament God is very much in the everyday workings of our life he loves to be and we just talked about Emanuel he loves to be God with us and so we need to realize that because he's transcendent he's always touching down and he's always he's he's trying to not be that god that's Beyond and unseen and unheard he's trying he wants to be a god that's with us and the arts help us to make that possible that's why he gave us the arts in this physical world in our five senses is so that we could help carry out that mission of bringing heaven to earth we can do that as artists we can bring heaven to earth in little ways in our communities and God has given us a way to do that in Exodus God speaking to Bezalel and you'll see in your books their Exodus 35 verse 30 says see the Lord has chosen Bezalel and he has filled him with the Spirit of God with wisdom understanding with knowledge and all kinds of skills to make artistic designs for all kinds of artistic crafts anybody know what's going on in this verse does anybody know who Bezalel is raise your hand if you know who Bezalel is a couple people guys this is our this is our person if there's a person in the Bible that's our person this is in so Bezalel and his pal oh oh he'll Lib I'm not saying that right but as Allah has a friend they have names that we've never heard of before but Moses is actually their overseer he's kind of like the artistic director and what they're doing is they're building a sacred space for God to come in meet Israel and Bezalel is the chief artisan he's been training his whole entire life to be able to have skills of artistic design wood crafts metal smithing designing colors tapestry making he's well trained and actually Bezalel is the first person in the scriptures that the Holy Spirit is said to come and be in and dwell through Bezalel and work through Bezalel it's the first person an artist be encouraged by that the hod wants to work through creatives and he wants to work through people who like to make things and he wants to send his holy spirit to you so that you can do that all the more and with his power whenever you feel like I'm not enough I can't I I just I'm not able to make this happen right now I don't have the imagination I don't have the skill but you know there's something in you just ask for God's help cuz I believe he wants to meet you there as Allah how and all the skill in the world but he's still needed the Holy Spirit so what he was building was this giant tabernacle where people would come and sacrifice and they would worship and they would come and God and they would come and and be in community this is basically Church of the Old Testament for the Israelites this next scripture is amazing just a few chapters later they're finished with the tabernacle it's beautiful it's filled with tapestries a lot of purple and a lot of red they use a lot of gold use acacia wood there's material this is this is a material space architects be encouraged speaking even more directly to you it says then the cloud covered the ten of meeting and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle God's glory came and filled this physical space that was made by the hands of human beings that's a beautiful thing this is a tabernacle of sorts as you see on the screen myself and a team of artists actually built this space on Skid Row in Los Angeles where there's a large homeless community we actually were inspired by the tabernacle descriptions and we decided to build this space inspired by the descriptions of the tabernacle but we wanted to build it with reclaimed materials what we saw right there on the streets because we believe that God wants to redeem everything he wants to make all things new and so we used the debris that we found on the streets to build a sacred space a really amazing thing is that people felt that that space was sacred so much so that there was people who came there to rest people that came there to find God and there was people who were obviously against God in a very aggressive way that when they came up to the space said I'm not going in there I'm I can't go in there there's like there's nothing you can say more than that like this space that was by human hands out of trash but simply out of the dimensions that we were following an exodus and revelation it created a sacred space I believe that you can create sacred spaces in your writing in your filmmaking and your painting and your sculpting and whatever it is that you do that you too can create spaces where heaven meets earth and touches down right there and the Holy Spirit's gonna work through you just like he worked through Bezalel to do just that my relationship with God is varied it's just full of transcendent moments when I think about my encounters with God it's all these these moments of transcendence we don't have to think of them as like these amazing like transported spiritual extra spiritual moments I should say but sometimes those are the moments where we're looking at just the physical stuff of life I was sending some art galleries yesterday looking around in Los Angeles and people were making things out of two-by-fours and blue tarps and messes of clay and that's I felt like God was touching down in those moments I could I was I was experiencing our God I believe we can look in those places to find God the best reflection I believe of all these things of abundance and being relational and finding transcendence the best reflection of our God and those in those ways is when it comes through you when it comes through you we are here when when Christ says go make disciples of all nations share this love to the ends of the earth the ways that you can do that the best way that you can do that if you call yourself a creative or you have creative gifts or even dare to call yourself an artist this is how you can carry out God's mission for you in the world is to be the best artist that you can be and do that without thinking twice without saying maybe there's something better I can do No this is your mission in the world you can bring transcendence and people you can bring people together and you can bring the abundance and beauty of God to the world through exactly what it is that you love to do and God loves that so as we close out this first section why don't you just find someone to talk to you about a moment of experiencing God and every day talk about a moment of experiencing God in everyday life in the stuff of life and the mess of life where you might have experienced a god moment anything anybody wants to share there's a microphone back there we might do a couple times of sharing my name is Michael and when you started we're talking about the tree to me I felt like you were talking you're gonna talk about stuff that I've been thinking about for a long time and how you can see God in any kind of geometrical shape whether it's branching and even what brought me back to Christianity was the Trinity to me the three and the branch are the same thing there's three prongs to a branch the triangle the Trinity so there's like a connection to me with this sacred geometry and Christianity and what you're talking about thanks Michael so next we're gonna be talking just like a framework we're gonna make a framework for us as artists of faith how can we go about making is there any sort of guidelines you could say are there no rules are there some rules are there just like any any guidance that we can have from the previous section now what does that mean for us as we actually make what's what's a good way to go about thinking making as an artist as an artist of faith well first I just ask you to think about a time where you might have used your art to express your faith or your heart just take a minute to think about a time that you might have been trying to use your art in a way that expressed what you care most deeply about for some of you that's all the time that's everything you make for some of you there might have been a couple times where you like I'm gonna it's Easter I'm gonna make something that has to do with my faith it's interesting because I think that if you really care and it's really truly something that you believe about Jesus Christ and who he said he is for us in this life who our God claims to be for us a God of love the god of our salvation whose for us if you really believe that I think that that comes out naturally that we don't actually have to try super hard at all that it just comes out naturally and beautifully and actually I think that if we try too hard it comes out looking odd so we just need to live our lives as people who are faithful to this God who says he's for us and to spend time with him to ask him questions throughout the day and to read his word and to spend time with other believers and they do our best to follow what he says that if we if we dedicate our lives to that then by default our art will be dedicated to that so first I want to say that art can make a better portal than a preacher can make a better portal than a preacher by that I mean let's remember who we are let's remember let's remember the vocation that we've decided to take up or the the medium that we're using right we're not using the medium of what what am i doing right now right now I'm speaking and I'm speaking we're filling in blanks and we're learning things that are very concrete it's like this this and this but the arts are actually not like that at all right now I'm essentially preaching and we're doing things that we do in church or in a classroom we're learning by looking at yeah just this hard you could say evidence or points but the arts are elusive they're poetic they're ambiguous they're odd there's something you have to wrap your mind around yourself and talk about wonder about their awe and their wonder so just to help us out to kind of release this this whole section should actually help to like you and free you up it's not really meant it's almost like the opposite if this framework should help to make you feel more free not feel like you're in a box it's often we can feel like we're in a box like we have these duties to fulfill as artists of faith but I don't believe that's as true as some of us make it out to be so let's see what Colin Harbinson says about this he's been in the field for a long time the art has its own ways of speaking and meaning speaking there in quotes right but it's not necessarily a good preacher it's by nature illusive and indirect arts should therefore not attempt to evangelize per se but they can bear witness to the truth they can bear witness to the truth an interesting image to kind of wrap our minds around this is we were talking about trees right and the beauty of trees and how they can point us direct us towards the Creator well what if we put a Bible verse on that tree we said John 3:16 and it was written on the trunk it said for God so loved the world that He gave His only Son do you guys think that that's necessary to put on there to try to really let's like slam the message home right let's let's let's really nail at home let's put a Bible verse on there I don't think it's necessary you could do that but I think naturally that that objective beauty is more than capable of pointing people to heaven pointing people to the Creator and to ask more questions instead of being told what to believe I think that's more powerful ultimately when people have an encounter also just aesthetically think of it like encounter this beautiful mountain and imagine if there was something projected on it that said love the Lord your God oh oh just the mountain like let's just let's go back to the mountain so I can appreciate that idea without you trying to kind of shove it down so as artists we have to think this way I have to realize that our artwork can actually function in the same way that as God's artwork does we should we should see him as our model how does he create how does he point people heavenward we can we can take notes from what God creates and we can be his stewards we can or we should we can be his students just faithfully studying how he has done it and follow after that secondly art is an entry point to your life it's an entry point it's not everything it's not the whole pie it's an entry point to your life so what does that mean this is CS Lewis writing here he says a man whose life has been transformed by Christ cannot help but have his worldview show through you can't help it it just oozes out we can't help it it overflows and so if your life really is transformed by Christ that's not something you're gonna have to try to do in your artwork it's just gonna happen naturally I believe that he has everyone kind of like listened to a piece of music or seen a beautiful painting and you're like I love that I love that like and you kind of look at another one maybe two months later you see another one you're like hey I saw that last and you're like who is this guy who is this gal and you look them up you Google um you're like oh it's it's not who I thought it was and you kind of like look and you read more into their life and after a couple years you're like an expert on this person who they are whether that's the musician or a poet or a dancer whoever it might be you're you're look you start to look into this artist's life and read their biography and see where are they coming from to create such objects of beauty to create such beautiful poems that have been so impactful for me also the opposite of that would be seeing something really it's not so hot you kind of forget about it and you probably don't learn about that person and who they are who the Creator is so essentially I think what we're called to do is create excellent works of art and let that do the speaking and that will lead to you as a person that will that will lead people to the intricacies of your life and hopefully when they look deeper into who you are in your life there they find Christ there it's undeniable who you answer to so I don't think our art has to tell the whole story because your life tells the whole story and how you live out your life tells the rest of the story art looks odd when we try to fit everything in there the whole the whole story from beginning to end or the whole entire explanation of what the gospel is from beginning to end it starts to look a little eclectic a little odd a little cramped but when you look at a beautiful abstract painting like we were just looking at before you realize wow there's something beautiful in this and you might look towards the artist that's one of our artists here her name's Leslie Grainger and I'll go back here she makes these beautiful abstracts and that's just one section of it and I love how she just lets that color that beauty and that flow speak she lets that speak let's do the same let's do the same as artists of faith thirdly we believe that the most impactful art it's got to be genuine it's got to be genuine under that you'll you'll read in your books that great artists convey the truth about the world which is not always pretty that was pretty and it's not always just positive it's not overly optimistic it is sometimes optimistic but if you'll turn the page let's look at these prophets here let's look at Jeremiah and Ezekiel these men in the Old Testament who we could see as artists as performance artists even Jeremiah one thing he does to try to wake up the Israelites he's trying to say hey guys listen up and God wants him to actually use performance to speak a message and there's a lot of poetry actually that comes through the prophets most of the writings is actually poetry it's not just kind of straightforward it gets very poetic but they also have these actions that you could see as performances that Jeremiah breaks a clay vessel as a symbol of Israel's coming destruction that's not pretty and that's not necessarily positive that's difficult and it's kind of hard to absorb you could say it's could say it's shocking probably for the Israelites when they were watching Jeremiah do that they were a little bit taken aback right so Jeremiah is a man after God's heart who's following what God asked him to do Ezekiel cut his hair burned it chopped it with a sword and scattered it in response to Israel's unfaithfulness interesting performance Ezekiel interesting performance he's kind of remind me of like some of the performance art that we see today that people might look it up on YouTube and go what's going on there and then maybe some pastor says oh no we're not doing that that's not good we got to stay away from the world that's not good stay away from that stuff and you're like wait pastor that was Ezekiel oh okay yeah I mean yeah that's that's good it's good stuff let's let's remember that everything we read in Scripture is not always pretty it's not always positive but it is true and it is good so oftentimes we we really camp out on the word beauty we really camp out in the beauty realm but I believe and this ministry believes that you are here to also create things that are true and things that are good and that in turn can be beautiful because it is true I believe that it is beautiful so allow yourself to make things that are real genuine about the actual things that are going on in the world there's destruction in the world there's sadness in the world there's difficulty in the world so your art as an artist of faith you're allowed to make things that look dark that look dim right do you guys believe that you believe you're allowed to make artwork and write poetry write music write plays that are about the difficulty of life because of course yes we have the gospel we have Christ and we know we're looking towards the new heaven and the new earth or we will be with God and there will be no more tears but also right now that's not the fullness of reality so let's talk about that and let's talk about our perspective as Christians yes there is hope and I think people will see the hope in the work that you create but it doesn't have to be overly optimistic right people love transparency genuine they love truth and they want to see that come out of people who are following after God's heart or else it doesn't really seem that believable it seems a little bit plastic right so let's not be plastic let's be real let's tell the truth about the world but tell it with our perspective as Christians who know that Christ is coming and that he has already come lastly in this section to finish out our framework we believe that artists can make fait artists of faith can make art about everything everything it may seem pretty open at first and I could I could define that a little bit more well you know what we just talked about we could be making artwork about disaster depression difficulty divorced these are the real things about life and we should be making art about those things I think it's just the way in which we make it the way in which we talk about these things that make the difference right so I believe we should be making artwork about everything Jesus when he was living on earth with his human body helped us actually realize that there's not quite as big of a divide or maybe no divide at all between the sacred and the secular often we we divide these worlds but a key component of our faith a key component is that we are not what they say is dualistic we're not a dualistic faith which is separating these two worlds of spirit or soul and body the physical and the spiritual these are not two separate worlds they're beautifully and intricately intertwined and you can't really tell the difference sometimes the material like we were talking about previously is so precious to God and so good and so much about how he communicates himself and God God is not all spiritual all unseen all out of this world he is very much in this world it says in John 1 that the word became flesh so there's that unity right there Jesus came to the earth and he sweat and he bled and he cried and he drew lines in the dirt he walked for miles and he sailed stormy seas he worked through sleepless nights he worked as a carpenter he got he got in the real grit and grime of this world if he has read the Bible lately if last time you really realized what's in there we have stories about Samson and a jawbone of a donkey that killed a lot of people killed a lot of people that's a difficult passage it's a difficult moment in life homicide by Cain war and famine God uses an adulteress as a metaphor and a lot of his books of prophecy there's the violent murder of Jesus these things are in our script our Bible God is speaking these things out and he's not saying this is all good right he's not saying oh this is good that people are dying this is good that there's war and famine just because it's there just because it's something that we can read about doesn't mean it's the example we're supposed to follow right but you said no let's talk about this stuff we need to learn through the realities of this world so the difference between the Pharisees which are the religious teachers that thought they had everything right and Jesus is that the Pharisees push themselves away from that difficult stuff such as think about the the woman who's caught in adultery the Pharisees say let's get rid of her we want to push ourselves as far away from that stuff as possible and Jesus gets down on his knees with her and is with her and says no like let's let's embrace this woman and he draws a line he draws something in the dirt that tells them please do not throw these stones unless you are perfect to yourself Jesus is very much with the difficulties of life he doesn't try to divide right he tries to unite and so what we're trying to say by this and what we're trying to say to you as an artist who wants to make things and make an impact in your community is that you should be making art about everything and that doesn't mean that you're validating everything but it means that you see it it means that you see it and the world wants to know the world wants to know how we see that through our lens of knowing Christ knowing God the God that's revealed himself in these scriptures these are inspiration the scriptures can be inspiration but they're not always polished so let's remember that let's remember that as we make things so let's just take a quick break we're gonna come back and we'll go into another section so who's heard of the five purposes the five purposes are the purposes of the church anybody does anybody know any of the purposes the five purposes that Rick always talks about it's a low back hey we're here for a purpose there's those words that begin with the letter M you guys know those words there's mission membership anybody else maturity so if you go through class one you know 101 through 401 those are all structured around these words that Saddleback in a global network of pastors and leaders has said we want to be about these things because we deeply believe and we see that it's rooted in Scripture that these purposes are how God wants us to live out our life as individuals and in communities of faith and we believe that they come from the words of God in the words of his son Jesus Christ and that this is why we're supposed to live these things out the great commandment and the Great Commission are the places where we find these so the great commandment is what the five purposes are based on and the Great Commission is what these these words where these words come from so the great commandment is love the Lord your God with all your heart soul mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself and the Great Commission comes at the end of Matthew where Jesus is ascending and he says go and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father the Son the Holy Spirit and he's essentially sending out his people to say bring bring people to know of the love that I've just shown you we want to bring them into the family we want to share with them the love of God and so there's these words that our church Huddle's around to say like hey how can we be about the great commandment of love the Lord your God and love your neighbor as yourself how can we be about the Great Commission how can we remember these things so there's five words we've them under G words for today words that begin with the letter G and the first way that we do this is by gathering we gather and that's not a fill-in that's just that top word the fill in is fellowship that artists are provided a place of fellowship here that ultimately makes the church a place they call home so we believe as we talk through these words these are the five purposes of the church yes the global church they're the five purposes that we ought to be out living out in our lives and the arts go hand in hand with these purposes they're really not separate at all we don't have a different mission as the artists in our community of faith at Saddleback we don't have a different mission than the rest of the church it goes hand in hand with these purposes and we believe we can live out the great commandment and the Great Commission through our calling and through our gifting as artists how wonderful is that we don't have to say oh yeah we're over here doing our thing as you guys do the important stuff no it's like we are partnering with the church in order to help to exponentially more beautifully and powerfully carry out these purposes so gathering we talked about gathering right we talked about community as we talked about the are in our acronym relationships how arts help to gather people together in relationship so we're saying that fellowship is actually helped by the arts and we talked about how when people are in like a gallery setting and they're around these paintings it sparks conversation what do you think that means what is that what does that say to you how how did that work Vaart make you feel or what did that what did you wonder about that next time you're in the gallery try to try to spark a conversation with somebody and realize that it makes it all that much easier when you have a work of art to gather around and also we talked about us as a community of artists how we can if you by the way if you're not yet comfortable yourself an artist sorry not sorry I'm gonna say artists I'm trying to refer to you I could say creatives though people who identify with creativity and get really political about it but I think it's it's interesting watching people spend time around saddleback visual arts and after about a year they kind of just like surrender like alright I'm an artist it's fine I'll be that so it's just a matter of time okay after you create a couple things and put it on a wall or publish it you're like yeah this is me okay that's fine the second thing is the second purpose I should say is to grow together another word for this that we see in the Bible is disciple go and make disciples of all nations so we disciple artists to be culture makers and influencers by teaching biblical integration of art and faith for their holistic spiritual lives and encouraging and sharpening of artistic skills right now what we're doing is we're building our theology we're building up our minds we're learning and by that you guys are becoming sharpened disciples but we also love to do that through our skills in the arts we love to teach classes that help to sharpen your skills I think that's part of your discipleship as well because if you're you know everything about what scripture says but you know you make one thing every six months you're not as sharp as you could be right you're you need to take out those tools and organize them and put them to use so that you can be an effective disciple and so actually being in the studio or getting to your computer and starting to write every week or even every day for ten minutes that's going to help the sharpen you as a disciple and we'll talk about a program that we have to help with that because we know it's hard we know it's hard to keep your your skills sharp as an artist but we care about that for you and we believe that as you become a stronger disciple in your artistic skill and in your faith that it's going to be powerful and carrying out the mission that God has for you in the world third we want to see the arts as a tool to give and to do ministry artists in our groups use their creativity to serve in ministry we really do and we believe that art is a powerful way to bless our communities and a necessary tool for connecting people giving beauty and bringing healing what's an example of this have you guys ever heard of kansui has anybody heard of the word kansui has anybody seen Japanese pottery that's been healed by gold you can see all of the cracks in the in the piece of pottery but now instead of it just being shattered on the ground and probably thrown away it's healed again it's whole again and every crack has been sealed by gold that's a Japanese tradition in the arts that I believe shows how artists can carry out our purpose and ministry by giving back so the beauty of sugi is that the pot once broken valueless gonna be thrown away becomes whole and it's actually stronger after it gets healed by this process than it was before and it's even more beautiful than it was when it started imagine just like giving that to somebody and saying you know maybe they're going through a divorce or maybe they just lost somebody in their family or maybe they're going through two weeks three weeks of depression what if as a ceramicist you were able to take a broken pot fix it with kansui and give it to that person and say I see your life in this way as I was making this pot I was thinking of you here you go whoa you just used your work you love ceramics you love making things with your hands and just by giving that to somebody and saying I see this new I see your life through this lens we're gonna remember that for the rest of their lives this just one small pot artists can give and they can carry out powerful ministry through that they love to do so think of that for yourself how could you use what you love to do as a gift of beauty for those who are hurting around you the artists in this community and in every community we want to see creatives go we want to see them on mission this is another purpose of our church we're always reaching out to our community locally and globally we want to see people go out into our communities and share the love that we have found with those who might not have experienced it before and the arts are an incredible way to invite people to come and see come and see what it is that we've found as an invitation even on global mission we believe the artist can naturally access and create change in the hearts of people we've taken our artists on mission to Spain and Berlin to Mexico recently a group of artists went and we used our craft in order to bring people in to say hey come and see come and start a conversation with us I'm going to show you an example of that in our next section of how we've used the arts on mission but to glorify would be our final purpose that we've laid out as a church and we believe that artists can create beautiful atmospheres of glorifying and worshiping the Lord and that when we bring our creative talents and our eyes and our ears to the table to be able to bring Beauty into glorifying God and worshiping God that our worship becomes very rich when we get creative with how we approach the throne of God that there can be powerful moments we host creative worship nights where we say hey let's let's think outside the box how can we use poetry tonight how can we use color and form tonight how can we use music in a different way that really makes us kind of wake up to what it is that we're doing how can we use dance tonight we love to do that and we should be worshipping with everything that we have with our whole lives and so your creativity should not be outside of the sanctuary of worship it should definitely be included whenever possible Pastor Rick tells us that we are most like a creator when we are being creative so we believe that the arts can broaden and deepen our lives of worship because if we're being like our Creator when we're creative that that's quite the act of worship we're trying to be more like him we're trying to say hey I believe who you are I believe that you are who you say you are and I want to follow after that so I'm going to create some resources for you guys as we go into our next section as you see in your books there if you're interested in learning more specifically about how the arts come in contact with what we believe in our faith in Scripture there's a few organizations there I love Siva Christians in the visual arts International Arts Movement and local university here Biola you can see the Christianity Center for Christianity culture in the arts so many beautiful organizations here's a list of books for you churches and if you want to learn about the artists here nationally in the United States and internationally who are artists of faith you can see at the Sivan Network there's a website right there in your book on page 9 so that's theirs that's just a small sampling of what's out there for resources for artists like you that want to bring together your faith in your art in harmony so if you want to dive deeper those are excellent resources for you today is an introduction but a but a hardy one right so turn to part two let's start part two of a section and what we're going to do here is talk about how this specifically plays itself out in our community here at Saddleback visual arts so this section is title our heart it's kind of like our heartbeat our passion how we carry this out in our community so Saddleback is a global community right here we're in Orange County but we have artists in Berlin and we have a campus that just started in Anaheim and so we have artists all over we're hoping to see what we can do in Los Angeles here from our LA campus so we're seeing what we can do to continue this movement in every place that people are willing to take it up this next section is all about why we exist and how we carry this out in our community so our main the main way that we put it is that we want to reflect our creative God as his church body we want we want that Creator God that we say we worship You God we we want our lives to be a reflection of who you are here on earth we want our church to look like that because where do people look when they're trying to find God they look to those actual real communities of faith they if they're trying to learn more about this Jesus they will look at a place like Saddleback or they'll look at the church next door they're looking at actual communities of faith to be like who is this Jesus they're looking at you they're looking at our spaces and that to them is who this God is people people don't look always just to the clouds and to nature for God when they're really searching they'll start to come to a community of faith for answers to meet people so if our community isn't shaped in this way if we have the capacity to be creative and spark oh and wonder through our works of art through our poetry and dance and light and and sound if we have the capacity to do that and reflect God in that way then what's stopping us that's that's part of our mission if we if we are created like that and let's do this because we when we want people to know God we have to have the place reflect him so what are we doing to make that happen here at Saddleback that second fillin is what we were just saying that when people look to the church they should be pointed to not our duty as representatives of God's house and his family is to reflect his creative spirit this is a beautiful project that we got to do on our patio here at Lake Forest where we were trying to bring the hands of feet of jeet and feet of Jesus to our community who is suffering from HIV and AIDS so we have initiative here that is all about loving those who are affected by this virus and saying we want to help what can we do to help so it says zero because the initiative is all about getting to zero new infections zero stigma around this virus there's no judgement and we would want to see any more infections especially in those places where there might not be medication we're trying to bring that awareness to places that are maybe underserved and they don't have an ability to have that education or that medication so we as the arts ministry wanted to partner with HIV and AIDS say what can we do to help carry this mission out this is our project and helping to carry that mission out and it we called it the getting to zero balloons project what you're seeing is five thousand balloons that are in these structures and people got to come and actually pop a balloon pop a red balloon they're coming out of the surfaces everybody like thousands have people at the grab a balloon that a little little toothpick and they found inside a deflated and a untouched white balloon I got to blow that up tie it up and replace it back in to this living sculpture and eventually this sculpture went from all red to all white and this was an example of how we can be the hands of feeding G of hands and feet of Jesus so we were basically asking people hey does your hand are your hands in on this are you in on loving those who are affected by this virus as a symbol of saying yes to loving those who are affected by this let's let's come around the sculpture just like that we would come around somebody who's hurting and say we want to be part of the solution we don't want to turn a blind eye to this we want to be part of this and I believe that helped to do something people's and people's energy in their spirit to move their heart towards that to say yes so next you'll see that we see the church as a tree and that we want to work to build a healthy trunk so that our branches reach out with good fruit so what does that mean that if the core of our community are our church community here inside the walls of the church here in a room like this or in the studio when you come on to a church property you could say or meet people who are involved in this in this movement or in your community of faith we want that to be a healthy trunk we want it we want the arts to be flourishing there right because we can reach out with art so we can go to our cities we can go and say hey jesus loves you out in the city with the arts but what happens when they say okay yeah I'm on board like you've captured my heart and I believe what you're saying now I want to learn more I want to be part of this community we bring them we bring them here right this is the next place that they come and if this place is void of creativity and beauty and imagination then it kind of like the pathway could kind of end and I'm not saying that the arts everything right but if the arts are part of what sparked somebody's heart towards the gospel then it's it's it ought to be present at the core as well as out in the community right so that's just to say that we want to see a balance of evangelism and discipleship in the arts that we want to be healthy here and healthy out there I want to see it everywhere so secondly in our mission this is how we accomplish what we do so if we say that we want to reflect God in His Church it's like okay yes awesome how do we do that well that's three words that we just studied in the purposes the purposes of the church three that we like to focus on our gather grow and give we love to gather together grow together and give as a community of artists so just to kind of illustrate this you can see there's kind of an equation in your book there it says artists plus collaboration equals a cultural movement okay you guys think of any and we can we can if you want to if you could help me with the microphone we can talk here for a little bit about cultural movements can anybody name like a cultural movement that they remember either either from now or a hundred years ago or whenever it might be I can start Impressionism you guys know that the movement of Impressionism and painting how did that start does anybody know the artists that were involved in that Monet was involved Renoir yes was that MANET Pissarro they all these guys all knew each other they were actually in the part of the same community and they met together I believe they shared ideas together and they collaborated together and they made each other better and they were in community this started a cultural and global movement called Impressionism and it was like five people that banded together and they started saying like what if painting expanded into this type of expression anybody else think of a cultural movement you can try to do this together cubism do you know any artists that were involved in that Picasso and if you're gonna you can give the mic to anybody I guess and if anybody has thing longer something longer than one word mm-hmm can you say that first word again Soho hadi mm-hmm yes bidi else yes what movement did he start isn't were there any artists that were part of that you can give Terry the mic was a new way of creating houses and environments and also packaging them artists with it I'm not sure is there an artist that goes with that he's like Lord right yeah I mean it's an art I think architecture but yes spaces dowdy it's part of that crew hmm say that again I clear oh gosh yes yes yep with like Banksy and shuttle ferry and Jason Vader mm-hmm I guess if we could watch the movie exit through the gift shop it's not just about Banksy it's about that whole movement that is a huge one absolutely it started here in LA in a lot of ways too yep yeah that is good that's a really good one Street the street art movement definitely started with a group of people that banded together and said what if what if this thing that called graffiti right now could actually be like a legitimate art form and a legitimate movement and it is now it is people are paying for this artwork now instead of just washing it down with power washers there's a group of people mm-hmm well it's good for now Thank You Catherine so when artists collaborate it can create a cultural movement I believe the Bauhaus movement might be one more there's school people that got together and said we believe in this this form of design and it was in Germany right so we could think of our community in the same way that when we collaborate when we work together when we gather something powerful happens when we're alone only so much can happen when we isolate ourselves we can only make it so far so as much as you can't find that community and we want to offer this space to you and wherever you're listening from find a space find a space where you can gather together at least once a month to be able to talk with one another and share ideas encourage each other that's what we want to do here we want to gather together and encourage each other we want to see you in community so you can reach your best in Matthew 22 it says love your neighbor as yourself I believe that this is a carrying out as love of love your neighbor as yourself they were thinking about others when we come into community not just the onand and van of our own careers but how can we help and pour into others someone who might be just one step before where we are right now so there's a few bullet points under gather here's why we gather we gather for community back up one more we gather for community we know that we belong when we gather in community we gather for collaboration that we know that we're better together when we collaborate and we gather for courage and that happens by believing in each other I know that I wouldn't be where I am today if I wasn't part of this community and yes I'm the one who's like leading it but I've met so many folks here that have pushed me forward in what God is calling me to do and encouraged me when I feel discouraged we all get discouraged we all doubt our own abilities and we all lose sight of where we're going and we need the people around us to help us in that I want to show you guys a video of how we carry this out just at the end of this section but before that grow we grow together we want to see you grow as an artist of skill and faith what's the scripture that talks about growing in skill and faith well it's one of those Great Commandment Great Commission versus right here's the Great Commission that Jesus says therefore go and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in a min the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you I believe that for us being good disciples is synonymous with being good artists so skill and faith we want to practice here so we open the studio every week for you to be able to practice your work we don't want you to be going weeks and weeks and weeks and months without practicing your work so we've created a space for you the studio here for you to be able to carry that out working artists initiative is an incredible program during the summer where you can get together in small groups set your goals together and meet every other week to say how doing how you doing on that at the end we have a big show to display all the work that has come from your hands it's it's a beautiful thing I love seeing all the work that comes out of our community when we when we get together in groups and say hey this is where I want to go and people say how you doing on that how you doing on that and that's that's really all it takes so in fit in faith you can see there in your booklets under grow that we want people to be purposed in their artwork and partnered with God and we do that through conversations in the studio through mentorship like I said find someone who's just one step ahead of you and start conversing go to coffee with them and classes like this we love to pray for one another when we hear something that we could pray for one another in this is a community of faith in that way we just believe that when we gather it's natural that we grow getting together helps us to get to the next level because there's always going to be a spectrum of people from different life experiences right and so I believe that if we gather we will grow together and lastly we want to give we want to see your artistic talent overflow to others we want to see it overflow and just think of like a cup that is being filled filled filled as you grow you're coming together and because of the coming together you're growing and out of that growing just naturally I believe that the give part is just this natural overflow because you are so full that you're able to just naturally pour out for me the way that I see ministry is it's not something that you have to work up and say okay just do this today it's gonna be really want to but I'm gonna do it cuz I'm told that I am that I got to do it so I'm gonna follow that command know I believe that it comes out of an overflow because you feel filled and you just can't help but give some away how does it happen well we see in Matthew 22 that Christ is telling us to love your God with all heart soul mind and strength and that this is the greatest commandment so there's a lot of that's a lot that's your whole self right I believe that as you work out your calling in your passion area we'll talk about this more in the next class that you that you actually are energized by that when you're loving God in the way that he made you instead of in the way that he didn't make you like imagine going and doing like mechanical work for ministry when you are just opposite of thinking mechanically you think more in like spaghetti instead of grids you're like ah this is so hard I hate doing ministry and it's like well you actually need to be in this other place because obviously you're depleted you're depleted for a reason so we love to see we love to see you work out ministry in areas that you love and it should be an overflow so here's three examples art in community art as social justice and art as service we have teams that do all these things artists community social justice and service let's look at one example of how someone was able to gather and then grow and move into giving just naturally as Roberts story pastor rick has said only God can create waves waves of revival waves of growth and waves of spiritual receptivity here at Saddleback we believe that God has begun a wave in the church that uses the arts to reach our communities this is a story of someone who found deeper connection and purpose through using his gifts on one of our art projects through this he was inspired to take his next step well Robert Sutter like to be known as Bob I'm an ironworker I've always thought that being good with my hands you know it was just like we're building an anchor we're building out a rebar can we get together it was just like I'm in few weeks ago you know it was a huge step of my life towards Christ being involved with them opened my heart up even more to the kindness and giving that accepted from them after telling them my life story you know I had different addictions in my life my wife was ready to kick me out you know she was like I needed to make a change then even make a huge change to instead of being talking about to show action and one morning I stopped and prayed as I could say about 30 minutes it was it was a deep end you know I was blaming my family for all my problems that I had you know and just to put it in his hands and say lord help me out I need you in my life I need you here with me because I've tried doing this by myself riding those waves by myself and you see it doesn't work but the Lord helps you out I could just feel the Lord talking to me telling me working through me I could feel it that that night you know after the baptism and dude that it was joyful but it was just like that I felt like I didn't have no rest for a while that night I went home just felt relaxed I just felt free and I feel very empty without Christ in my life you know I feel so happy and joyful now but very grateful I can say that the Lord put on visual arts and in my life beautiful right that's just one person's story of how they wanted to step up and say hey how can I serve and they were blessed by it and they were filled up by it it's so cool let's look at let's look at our mission here at Saddleback fish visual arts well actually we've just been doing that let's let's move on from that let's move on we are on our core value so our core value is actually transformational creativity this is our guiding mindset so when we're going out and we're saying hey we want to reflect God's creative soul in its church body we're gonna do that as we gather and grow and give in this guiding mindset as we go out and gather and grow and give is transformational creativity we want creativity not just to be there but we wanted to transform we want to transform spaces want it to transform people people's visions we want it to actually do something in the world and be a catalyst in the world and we we say there's three words that make up a transformational creative that you can actually be someone who is a transformational creative that we have the power to do this we talked about that with Bezalel Wright he was a transformational creative there's three things that he needed in order to be transformational in his work the first one is community he needs community we need community in order to be transformational we can't do this on our own that we need to lean on our community for collaboration and support I really believe this quote here that if you can accomplish your vision on your own if you can do it on your own it's too small it's okay if there's something this week or this month or this year that you want to do on your own but if some of your your big visions like kind of the biggest ones if you're like yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna do that I'm gonna do that and I don't think I don't think I need anybody in that I think that's too small your ought to be something where you're like oh yeah this is gonna take a team this is absolutely gonna take a team I'm gonna need to bind together with my best friend my family my crew my people in order to make this happen I don't know who it's gonna be even but I know that I can't do this by myself that's the vision that God wants to carry out through you we need community to be transformational secondly culture we have to care about culture we're creators of culture and we make we make work that opens people's eyes and speaks to our cities if we don't care about the culture around us and what's going on outside our small communities of faith then our vision is also a little narrow we need to be caring about the broader cultural conversation what's being said right now what's happening this year this month this season how can I speak into that specifically so we got to have our ear to the ground with what's happening in culture and that means being out in the world that means going out to cultural events being part of your community that might not identify as a follower of Christ and that means going to that concert in the city going to that gallery opening where it's full of heathens you know we need to be in those places right we can't just hunker down with our community that we feel safe with comfortable with or we all think the same but all and also be read in the newspaper be reading the news it shouldn't be the only thing you read absolutely because that's depressing but it should be something that we have a pulse on right and he crouches a voice of authority in this and he's written a book called culture making he's a man of faith who thinks it's important that we as artists make culture and don't just watch culture he says why aren't Christians known as creators people who dare to think and do something that has never been thought or done before something that makes our world more welcoming and thrilling and beautiful we ought to be part of that conversation and it's not that we're trying to take over culture it's not that we're trying to people talk about like taking a you know Christians need to be more in Hollywood and yes I need to be more in Hollywood do I think that they should take over Hollywood and be the only voice there no we just need to like we need to be a voice in the mix there needs to be a well-diversified pot of voices in all these pockets of culture it's not about culture Wars it's about culture making I think Marco Fujimura puts it as culture care caring for culture and being part of that conversation so it's not about conquering but it's about being present there and actually being part of the conversation so if we want to be a transformational creative we need community absolutely we got to have our pulse on culture and have our voice going into culture our Center needs to be Christ our Center must be Christ Christ is the catalyst of transformation he is the one who transforms lives he's the one who's transformed our life he's our true source of power and inspiration effectiveness even our plans we can have successful plans but are they the right plans are you asking in their mornings in your evenings about what you busy yourself with and if that's the right thing to be busying yourself with so we can succeed in something but is it the right thing have you asked your Creator about what it is you're busying yourself with he wants to help you transform the community around you yes he wants to partner with you in that but ask him first make sure you're doing the right thing together I love how Paul lives this out Paul who wrote much of the New Testament he was listening to God and he heard God say to him as he was trying to carry out the mission of bringing the church to the world around him bringing the love of Christ to people who have never heard it before he heard God say to him as he was beaten down whipped tortured run into difficulties cast out of many cities he's feeling down he's feeling like will I be able to continue this mission God says to Paul in a moment of weakness my grace is sufficient for you my power is made perfect in weakness and that promise is always with you as you go to create what God has called you to create we are all weak somewhere and we're all strong somewhere sometimes we focus a lot on our weaknesses and the stuff that we feel like we might not be able to do you have that vision maybe you have that vision for what God wants you to do with your creative life but you are you're you might be scared like I've been about that weak point in yourself that would prevent you from being successful in that I remember when I was creating one of my first like really big groups of art I was creating 12 portraits of folks that I met met on the streets of Skid Row and I was on portrait number 10 and everything was basically is like the the due date was there the show was like right there and I was like I don't know how I'm gonna get all of this done but I had made videos inviting hundreds of people we had rates raised $10,000 to put on this show I had basically dedicated my entire year to putting this on and I felt so tired and so weak I could feel the tiredness in my bones it was like just to stand hurts and yet I need to finish this portrait tonight I need to finish this portrait tonight and I do not feel inspired whatsoever I have just I've been working away at this thing for hours and it is not coming together I realized my prayers were perhaps a little bit off in that moment I was asking God God can you help me can you give can you give me inspiration can you can you can you give me the energy to make this happen and I realized that my prayers were very me centric give me this do this to me make my brain better but I realized in that moment my prayer could go to the next level and I just got on my knees and I just kind of completely submitted and I said God I am not enough I'm not enough I can't do this you can do this I need you here you need to be the person that works this out because I have no more energy God you are in charge I need all of you in this it's a slight change of of wording but it's a big difference where you're saying this isn't this isn't me this is this is you and I I'm a vessel here and it's completely admitting your weakness and saying this is this is all you God after that prayer that portrait came together very quickly very quickly and I felt the energy to do it I could stand and I felt I felt like I was present and it was 4:00 in the morning when I finished it but it was finished that night and that was putting Christ at Mike in my complete center I was leaning completely on him I believe if you're carrying out that that vision that big vision that God has for you whether you have it now or you're you're waiting for that and you're gonna be praying about that in these next month's you'll probably come to a moment like that where you feel like you're not enough like you can't and it really does take that full depend it's on God just like Paul as he carried out his mission to build the early church so I believe if you're using your creativity in these ways you're carrying about your caring about your culture around you and you're inviting your community in to be part of it and you're saying god I need you in this that transformational creativity will be inevitable you you will be a catalyst in your community for change and you'll be able to do it through the things that you love to do and that God created you to do so that's our core value we want to see we want to see things transform around us so let's move on to one of our last sections our vision where do we want to go where are we going with its movement of artists this ragtag group of artists that wants to change things around us where are we going well you can see there that we have a vision to be the center for transformational arts in our city so there's that word again I don't think we necessarily need to be the center for Arts in our city there's incredible things going around in our city and I'm sure if you're listening from another location there's incredible artists and art institutions all around you I don't believe that Saddleback needs to be the center of all arts but I do believe that we can be the center for transformational arts that when we embraced Christ as our center and we're participating in the cultural dialogue and we're inviting our community in humbly to help us that we can be a center for transformational community because that's what Christ loves to do and he lives in you and wants to do this through you if you just ask him let me read this to you the dream for Saddleback visual arts is to become the center for transformational creativity in our city it is the dream of a ministry that is developed to grow artists further into maturity in their faith calling and leader ship it's the dream of an arts community that has classes and gatherings and ministry opportunities of all kinds of visual media it's the dream of a space where artists and creative people of all kinds can congregate to recapture their sense of faith hope and love as creative people we want to see the artistic expression on our campuses breathe aw and wonder into our community it's the dream of a tight collaboration this is important with Saddleback's other creative departments such as Sal back worship and global broadcast mark comm writing you know we're not the only creative group on campus right so we need to partner with these other creative ministries to make this come to fruition it's not just us here it's the dream of blessing existing Saddleback ministries with the power of Arts such as counseling and local and global peace and Saddleback kids we're not isolated right here we want to partner with our whole entire church wherever we whatever way we can and it's the dream that this creative movement would spread to other churches so that we may more clearly reflect God's creative soul to the world we don't want to keep this here we want to want to have other people other leaders be able to take this on in their communities of faith as well this is somewhat of a new understanding in the church that the arts are important for our wholeness as Christians and so what we're doing here is is we are pioneering something we're saying hey here's how you can use the arts people have been talking for about 30 years and saying oh yeah wait we're missing this in our Protestant churches it kind of wet went away a long time ago him about 1,500 a lot of the arts were done away with when this church split between Catholicism and Protestant Christianity we lost a lot of the arts in that in that split and just in the last couple decades people have been like oh wait where did that go again so it's just starting to come back and I want our ministry to be on the on the front lines of hey we're trying this and yeah we're failing sometimes but here's some of the things that we found and we want to spread that as as far as we can we just carried out a conference this last month to help to empower leaders to do that in October so what does this look like we just said it but to slow it down a little bit we will grow artists to be servant leaders we really believe that's important that artists are making but they're serving as well we will collaborate with other creative teams so Corinthians talks about this this is Paul speaking in his letter to the Corinthians he's building the early church and Paulo saying we are just one part of the church body we're not independent of that body right so the artists we can think of ourselves like that we're talking about how important the arts are here today yes but they are not everything there's no one ministry that is really like more important than the other we do not see ourselves as overly important but we do see that when we are when we do get to be part of the dynamic that wonderful beautiful things happen so but we're just one part of that right so I hope that yes you get integrated here into our community but I hope that you continue to go to the worship nights put on by Saddleback worship I hope you continue to go to the services on the weekends I hope that you're in a small group but I'm by the small groups team this is a whole working family where one body and you know the arts you can think of them as like a hand right or maybe better as an eye I don't know something that you make with think about that so we're just one part of the body you remember that and we want to collaborate with the rest third we want to partner with other ministries you saw in that video with Robert that was partnering with Purpose Driven and that anchor was built for pastors to come around and put their prayers into those bottles and remember that God is their anchor but we also love to work with we've worked with HIV and AIDS like we saw with that balloon sculpture we've worked with we've worked with the orphan care ministry and we've worked with recovery groups we worked with mental health are a couple of our leaders on campus and here within the arts lead something called expression and that's when people get to basically journal through abstract painting so there's someone at the front that's sharing within these prompts for them to think about things in their life but they're not writing this out they're not talking this out there they're painting lists in color and line and form and it's a different language and because it's a different language you're able to discover new things and hear new things about yourself and when I did this we're journaling about stress and I was able to learn about some things that I was stressed about in my life that I wouldn't have been able to learn if I was just writing this out or talking this out I was really healing for me so we love to partner with recovery groups as well in that way we just talked about going on peace trips right that wasn't just the arts that was collaborating with our 4:01 missions team and saying hey how can we take what you guys love to do and infuse the arts into that and how can we take that on mission so partnering with other ministries and is incredibly important for us and last we want to share and learn alongside other churches we want to see this move to other congregations so if you're here today and you're listening or maybe you're listening online and you're part of a different congregation you're not at a Saddleback and you want to bring this to your church we want to help we absolutely want to help with that we are all one body so that body analogy that Paul talked about you can see that in a local church as one but you could also see that in the global church that Saddleback is one part of the global church there they're there you can see Sal back as a hand or a finger you know of the global Church of Christ really when it comes down we reach our vision by partnering with the holy spirit and partnering with the whole church so we cannot isolate ourselves in spirit or with our community and that's how we're gonna be able to carry out this vision I'm so glad that you guys got to come today and learn a little bit about how we as artists of faith can carry out our mission in the world how we believe that the arts partner with the purposes of the church how we as artists of faith can flourish and free ourselves up in what we make and a little bit about what Saddleback visual arts is here to do to be transformational in our communities through our creativity so thank you guys for coming you