Theist Caller Tries to Bait Us and Gets DESTROYED… Then I Hung Up! (feat. Telltale)

Posted By on July 31, 2019



I've got something a little bit different for you today earlier this week on Sunday telltale and I did a call-in live show together and the topic was meant to be about Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses and specifically the fact that those are the two cults that telltale and myself grew up in but we had a caller call in that pretty quickly I started to realize they had some let's call it ill intentions and I think they tried to catch us off guard or throw us for a loop and I'm happy to say that that did not work out and so because it was kind of a highlight of the show and people are still talking about it a little bit I thought I would show it to the rest of you who don't maybe have time to watch those longer form shows so without further ado I am mister atheist let's do this all right Kevin in Chicago Kevin what's on your mind got a question so eight years in plus I just want to know how does it go from kind of debating God debating evolution to kind of promoting intersectionality promoting um kind of social justice stuff like that I don't understand where the leap from I'll give you my theory but I want to hear you guys first well first of all as far as atheism if you want to just call any sort of discussion and value outside of atheism as atheism plus I actually think the term atheism plus is a really useless one it's not one that I'm that interested in it's also been used rather poorly by some circles it's definitely been used very poorly by like edged lords on reddit then there are others who have tried to use it more positively and say like atheism plus fighting against transphobia or atheism plus fighting for gender equality or bay theism plus whatever the the term isn't all that interesting as far as how it became more about things other than the existence of God or evolution so the funny thing is is a discussion about atheism would only be in regards to the existence of God dude does does it God exist or not or is there insufficient reason to a whole deposit the positive belief claim that there is a God even evolution if by definition of what you could make into atheism plus atheism is not inherently does not mean being an atheist doesn't mean you inherently accept evolution it is common to happen but it's not a given so even in that regard the way atheism plus at its bare-bones would be would be atheism plus a advocating for scientific literacy including evolution but how it got there it's because atheists are people and so as far as for me I would be I do a lot of things that are not just the question of does God exist or does not exist but frankly that question gets boring to me at the end of the day however my atheism in regards to being a defiance of the way I was brought up is still a key component to me my life and even my identity being an atheist technically isn't key to being a key to it sounds like I'm splitting hairs here but just the label atheist to me is not as key to my identity as the journey to becoming an atheist is and that's why I am fine with taking on a name like mr. atheist even though my channel is a lot of queer advocacy anything you want to know yeah yeah for sure I feel like the words that were used in the beginning carry a lot of baggage with them like social second ality and feminism and all of that other stuff when if you look at just conservative Christians in the u.s. right now like extremist Christians you will see that there's a like for example just look at your home as witnesses there conservative Christians they're not political but they're conservative Christian they believe that women should not take part in any kind of teaching in any kind of they shouldn't have any role in the church at all so when people leave religion extreme religion the it's kind of assumed that you're going to drop the religious baggage that you carried with you and let's just step back and look at like should women be teaching or is that is the fact that they weren't teaching just religion like left over from religion obviously there should be obviously women should be equals in society right so the idea behind a theism plus is that we're all just equals now that's not how it played out I don't know how it played out cuz I wasn't really around at the time but I hear it left a bad taste in people's mouths either way I stand for equality across everything like people should just be equals people should not have to fight for rights or any of that stuff we should just have them so anyway it's not a new the the people seem to present it like the ideas new but even the the most famous person presenting on behalf of atheism was probably Christopher Hitchens and Hitchens also in a lot of his messages wasn't just talking about atheism he was opposing totalitarianism and theocracy and indoctrination and he talked about the cultural very very feminist messages of give women in other countries decisions over their reproductive rice rights and maybe throw in a bag of Cedars it he had like a throwaway line he would throw on there but that was really time time after time that lifts societies out of their slump so it isn't actually new but yes this concept of atheism plus was I think first I think it was used both in positive and negative ways and now it's kind of like when people talk about when people talk about my bun for example and they just try to disregard for having a quote-unquote man button like okay listen to the man but there are now people I'd say that it's often used now atheism plus to be a sort of derogatory word that you can use to just dismiss somebody's ideas without actually having to evaluate them because you've put them in this category of atheism plus and they can't actually basically they want to avoid justifying the dismissal so now you have this method but anyway you want loaded language English A's black and white thinking us versus mmm yeah do that agreed my point is where I think it comes from is kind of like Soviet Russia communist the Atheist they're hardcore atheist they um they purge Christians they cursed fries they kill they burn churches and I think that's what has to do with it all right I can't anymore it's No am I an atheist no I'm a ground in Polish Catholic yeah so are you familiar with the way the way totalitarianism works yeah so Talat arianism so basically any totalitarian state replaces I don't disagree that there were a lot of atheists in in the in Soviet Russia however the idea that it was inherently atheistic to do any of that is absurdity beyond belief Orson Welles wrote about how authoritarian states are simply theocracies you risked you replace because they are your competitor and by the way I am not I'm not pro communism I'm not pro to solitaire anism in any way they replace the religion the religions that are popular with the state however you also had a lot of Ally ships between previous dictators and totalitarian states with things like the Roman Catholic Church so this notion I see what what happened here that you were looking for a bait-and-switch and it's cute and fun however this it's an all oh this is simple conversation I'm not China you're kidding it's an old conversation Kevin it's seriously like this is this is as this is as as a presentation as a as a an argument went or what you wanted to discuss it's like you came in here and asked if evolution is true how come I never see monkeys give birth to a human do you know the answer to that question by the way Kevin one more point yeah go ahead and ask you one more question okay so when you're first I was listening your show and you said the church it's it's uh what were you saying it homophobic and sexism now with the same thing be true against um cheaters people would cheat is that like cheetah phobic with like it's pretty clear the Bible's against people who cheat in marriage would that be cheetah phobic are you asking me if the Bible is phobic of people who cheat on their spouses or significant others correct do you want to take it now yeah it's also it's also murderer phobic because it says thou shalt not kill and is it being a murderer just an alternative lifestyle obviously everything the Bible writes isn't going to be completely wrong even a broken clock is Right twice a day when we are talking about things that are bigoted things that are phobias which it is fun to hear a Polish Catholic defend the Mormon Church so I commend you for that we are talking about things that we have demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt our identities that aren't harmful to the individuals or the people around them we are talking about intolerance to the way people are simply born now if you want to go out and do a bunch of research and show to me that the identity of being a cheater is simply on the on the same par as what genders you are or what genders you are attracted to I would evaluate as a skeptic I would evaluate the information and see if it has any legs but that question do you agree that the moral decay of society has anything to do with religion being taken out of society you know with the opioid epidemic we got transgender kids killing themselves as a extremely high rate let me speak to that music degeneracies everywhere you look in the meter yeah I dropped the call – all right all right all right why I drop the call halfway through if you call in with an agenda to essentially proselytize against atheism and I let him do it like what two or three times I just have one more question before I'm gonna go 30 more seconds that definitely won't agenda New York accent I was trying to be Chicago will respond to it will respond to that last question but I decided to ensure it is the last question I didn't are getting more Strom and bullshit examples before I was ready to respond now go on ok all right I've talked about this on my channel before I am an ex-addict I was an addict for a while this whole opioid epidemic thing I know an awful lot about it it it affects me a lot personally and I don't think I've met another addict who was an atheist a few maybe they were all super mega Christians the people in prison are almost entirely Christian or religious at the very least like the Atheist population in prison is so ridiculously tiny so I don't know how that can really prove anything for you I mean right there it's kind of debunked based on that even that so I I'm not going to draw any association between atheism makes you more likely to be a more moral person may might it may be not secularism means you'll be better educated it might it might not who thinks that the world is less religious religious fundamentalism is higher than ever latias la the imposition of religiosity is higher than ever we have multiple states this year addressing gun deaths by adding in god we trust' in the schools and now it's mandatory but deep makes you think yes the people who are associating religious none is higher many of those people are also turning it in for alternative spiritualities so do I think that the downfall also this is another thing people look at society today the downfall of society and then they list things that are going on now as though they weren't going on before they don't actually list statistics like oh well suicide of this specific group of people are up 14% or whatever I mean 14 percent wouldn't wouldn't necessarily be able to prove anything more than an anomaly but they're not but you know where we are seeing these things where we're seeing hardcore statistics when we see actual epidemics of suicide is when this religious imposition says fuck your identity will issue you one otherwise you can go kill yourself and then you know what happened yeah they do they go kill themselves no yeah I don't think that the I don't think that religiosity upon the decline is leading to the downfall of society I think it is leading to the salvation of society go fuck yourself I hope Chicago is nice this time of year let's continue making this episode a little bit 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This article has 40 comments

  1. I know of ministries that are based on getting people clean by bringing them to jesus. Now, I suppose they could have been nominally Christian before.

    I think I abused substances most shortly after becoming an atheist. I think it was hard to deal with losing that huge piece of identity and being kind of lost without support.

    #projectsemicolon

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  2. Isn't it kinda funny that when you say a "theist" came on your show and tried to make you look like a dick, it turns out to be a Christian? I haven't really heard of pagans doing this harassment.

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  3. Hey, I got an idea, lets tell an athiest queer advocate that trans people are a moral evil. I dont see how Jimmy could disagree with me there. Dont see it at all.

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  4. We have it really hard in Poland. A week ago in LGBTQ+ parade there was a lot of protest. People were throwing rocks. This country is really going into a wrong direction right now.

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  5. I'm an atheist with repeat prescriptions for codeine and Tramadol for chronic pain conditions. Pleased to meet you 🙂

    The guy lost all credibility when he spoke of moral decay.

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  6. Owen's face when the caller said "cheataphobic" was priceless.

    Also, hey, fellow atheist former opiode addict, here. We are few and far between. So many addicts replace their chemical addiction with religion and then if their faith is at all challenged it can easily lead to relapse, it is very sad to watch and know that faith based addiction recovery is so widely promoted over secular, science based recovery programs.

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  7. Wow, that was just absolutely painful to sit through. Between making false equivalents, straw mans, red herrings, and being factually incorrect this individual was incredibly facetious. How you two even had the patients to listen to someone who blatantly cares not for an honest discussion or a debate in the realm of ideas, and would rather waste everyone's time with a mindless and rather ignorant agenda is beyond my comprehension.

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  8. I feel like the caller had a piece of paper like a script in front of him I don’t think mr sent him I just think he was a nervous

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  9. This "Polish" Catholic (that's almost Python-esque) is hilarious.
    Authoritarian States have often been propped up and endorsed by the Catholic Church and partly responsible for the severe repression of people's freedom of speech etc. etc.
    Franco's Spain being the obvious and glaring example.

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  10. Lol does the caller know there were trans people in ancient Rome? One of the emperors was a trans woman. Shit ain't new and it has nothing to do with religion or lack thereof. I'd say there are as many trans people in theocratic states as there are in the U.S./Canada/Europe

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  11. I don't know to what context the caller is speaking, but Atheism+ was an actual website/organization if I recall. It was either closely related to, or eventually became FreeThoughtBlog. I know Dr. Carrier and Dr. PZ Myers were involved in varying degrees, but I'm not sure to what extent exactly. The whole thing was formed while I was in Afghanistan, and seemed to be in a downward spiral by the time I heard about it so I never really followed up on it beyond the basics

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  12. According to stats in the USA prison population, there are more Mormons incarcerated than Hindus; and more Protestants, and more Catholics, than Atheists.

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  13. To be fair to Jimmy… New York and Chicago accents are NOT as different as most Chicagoans I know (native) would want to claim.

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  14. …that is a pansexual pumpkin sticker or pin on your shirt. I love it. Also…CHEATERPHOBIC?? I don't know whether to cry or laugh. Also "transgenderum" and rap music are moral decay? What a douche.

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  15. I’m an atheist in recovery and my atheism occurred after I began my recovery. As a matter of fact, it helped tremendously, especially wading through all the myths. I was angry for a while, mostly because I felt deceived.

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  16. Can I just say, Jimmy, your style of clothing reminds me of the big bang theory but like. Likeable. Respectable. A good pan lad who respects all genders.

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  17. Soviet Russia was only atheist in name. Many were and still are Christians, it's just that they weren't allowed to be.

    And they basically lifted Stalin to be their version of some "God" in Soviet Russia, so it wasn't really atheism but more of you know, dictatorship?

    Again, Soviet Russia was never atheist except in name.

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  18. I think the root of people like this guy’s problem is they see Atheism as a religion, they can not understand the concept of someone having no religion and still being able to live as a ‘normal’ good person.

    Also, if that snowflake thinks that Now is a tough time for our societies then, 😬 he really needs to read a history book, any history book.

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  19. uh uhhh uhhhh ummm uhhh uhh ummm uhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ummm uhhh

    spit it out

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  20. Rosy retrospection fallacy. Half a century ago or so, the world was fighting a war in which over fifty million people were killed, most of them not even participants, that was morally degenerate on a wholy different scale.

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  21. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Edit: 'Go fuck yourself… I hope Chicago is nice this time of the year' cracked me up!

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  22. Why can't we just all get along…?

    We can debate politely all we like, but nothing is going to get done when you're so arrogant to just act like your high and mighty and better than everyone else because you have a different world view to someone else. A person may regard theirs as truth, but is doesnt mean it is for other people. Or is even truth at all.

    When people go into debates, they NEED to present themselves as equal to the other or nothing is going to get done.

    Arrogance isnt attractive.

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  23. Thank you for finally giving us a way for those of us who can't afford to financially support you. That has actually been bothering me for a while. I always heard you talking about supporting you on patreon or buying your merch, but pretty much every penny that comes into my hands goes to supporting myself so I've never been able to help at all. But this? This I can do.

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  24. That guy just sounds like he's spitting up anti-secular propoganda left and right without any semblance of control. Very silly.

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  25. Almost every video suggestion is atheist content, most of which is you, suris and viced rhino. The suggestions probs depend more on what you watch than what youtube thinks is safe. Since I've never watched the late night show, I've never seen it suggested to me.

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  26. You gave such a nice rundown of the impact crater that is atheism+ without taking sides on it (which you shouldn't have to, it precedes your time on the scene) while Goober just waited with his loaded little statement. If he had any sense at all, he would have recognized the eloquent statement and said, "uh yeah, thanks for your time"

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  27. Hey Jimmy, did you see that pizza place in Denver called PizzAbility? Most/maybe all(?) the employees are disabled, most with intellectual disabilities. They’re struggling because people are afraid of the “retards” (bob it hurts me to type that word… ugh). Anyways, just seemed to me to dovetail nicely into your activism and I thought you might be willing to give them your patronage or refer family/friends there.

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  28. My suggestion list is full of already viewed videos from you, telltale, viced etc. So basically my subscriptions and often viewed themes. It's sort of amazing I haven't run into algorithm problems, it's working creepily well for me, and I mean google is watching everything you do level of creepy.

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  29. Well I disagree, there weren't a lot of atheists in soviet Russia, the whole point was to force irreligiosity on the people, that at the time were commonly religious.

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