Science and faith part 7 kiwiconnexion practical theology

Posted By on October 12, 2019


Just moving across now; what you’ve called
experiences. There’s a tremendous difference between each of these experiences. Would you
like to just guide us through this? David L: Well, what we asked is – these were
a number of questions that we wanted to know about; had they personally experienced any
of these things – had any of them taken hallucinogenic drugs? What you’ll see here is an overall
figure and then a breakdown between the countries. In some cases the differences are significant;
in other cases not. So, in the case of the hallucinogens, the UK is way ahead of France
and Germany. I should add that the gender balance within the sample is almost identical.
It’s pretty much 50 per cent men and 50 per cent women in each of the countries. Apparitions;
I found it interesting that the UK was higher on this – significantly higher. I don’t know
whether the literature is more developed in the UK or not. I notice that we used in the
survey – we didn’t say, have you seen a ghost; we said, have you had the experience of seeing
an apparition? So, we were quite scrupulous in our use of terms.
We didn’t want to popularise the term too much. Telephone telepathy; this corresponds
to one of Rupert’s experiments. As you my know he’s done very extensive experiments
with multiple studies on telephone telepathy, text telepathy – so you’re sending texts,
and email telepathy – somebody’s about to send you an email. So you’ll see there that
the figures are 50 per cent, which is very interesting. In other words that’s slightly
more than half of the survey, and this is; have had an experience of telephone telepathy.
In other words, you’ve thought of somebody and then they’ve rung you within a few minutes
of thinking of them. Now, if you look at Rupert’s finding on that in the general public are
around 80 per cent. So this is a lower figure than the general public figure, but it’s still
a very significant figure. In the sense of being stared at – and I think this is higher
among women than men as far as a I remember, they’re fairly comparable, but slightly higher
in the UK. Premonition by a pet – and this is a very
interesting question, and I find that really quite surprising and amazing that a fifth
of people in the survey say that a pet they have seems to have had a premonition about
something, or known that something disastrous was going to happen. Of course you’d have
to cash that out and say, well what do you mean – what sort of thing are you referring
to? High figure for precognitive dreams; a third of the survey have had a precognitive
dream. So you would think that this would really make you question your strict materialist
approach to reality and time if you’ve had a precognitive dream. Higher in France, as
you can see, again higher among women. Then, out of body and Near Death Experiences – this
is pretty standard I think for the population as a whole; eight per cent and five per cent.
I think some of these figures are very interested, and higher prevalence than you might expect.
David B: the range that’s in that one slide is actually enormous, and one could spend
quite a bit of time on a number of those particular topics. I will come back to one just in a
little while. The next slide asks I think how their world view changed as a result of
this. David L: Yes, exactly. This again was not
a very surprising finding of the top two lines; the Near Death Experience and the Out of Body
Experiences was where the most transformative experience is. Hallucinogenic; 16 per cent.
Then I think what was also very interesting is if you look at the combination of, it either
confirmed my view, or there was no change in my view, that’s 75 per cent. So, the change
in world view – obviously people will interpret these experiences within their own framework,
so maybe if you already have a materialistic framework these things aren’t going to make
much differences except if you have an NDE or an OBE, which is a bit more arresting.
David B: Yeah, that’s unsurprising in some ways because of the nature of the event that
you’re going through; it cannot help but change you in some respects.
David L: Yes. David B: This is fascinating.
David L: Yes, this is another question we wanted to ask; are you embarrassed to talk
about these sorts of experiences in general, and with your colleagues? You’ll see that
they’re under – these figures are quite interesting, because the French people were only a quarter
were embarrassed, whereas over half the Germans and a third of the UK. What’s also interesting,
and I would have possibly expected the opposite, except I suppose in terms of how people see
themselves, that they’re less embarrassed to talk about these things with their colleagues
than they are in general, if you look at these figures.
I would have thought you might be more embarrassed to talk to your colleagues, because you might
feel that they would ridicule you more, but it must be that people would be more embarrassed
in the public, because they feel they’d somehow lose face more among the public, than among
their colleagues. I don’t know. That’s speculation on my part as to why these findings should
have come up.

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