How the US Created the Islamic State: Talking Heads

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in fact the United States created Isis nothing like it existed before the American occupation we created it it’s ours and now we’re trying to deal with the consequences okay you ready the war in Iraq in the streets of Baghdad no less than the halls of Congress or in the stump speeches of the campaign trail is in its essence political not military like the terrorists who hijacked American airliners and flew them into American buildings the fighters daily ambushing American troops are attacking not American military power but American will and thanks to the way President Bush and his colleagues chose to build the case for war and the errors they’ve made in prosecuting it American will is an increasingly vulnerable target in the end defeat our victory in Iraq will be judged not by who controls Baghdad but by whether the war has left America’s more secure than they were before it was undertaken I wrote this piece in July 2003 insurgency very slowly very particularly very specifically looking at the various slender lines that supported the occupation and cutting precisely each line the UN snip the UN fled the country the Jordanians who might lend troops to the effort snip the Jordanian embassy is attacked and even as the American leaders in the United States are telling the American people that there’s no insurgency at all by the late summer it’s absolutely clear that not only is there an insurgency but it is well lead well-planned and absolutely ruthless the point of this piece was to try to identify this insurgency as the root enemy in the new war the first weeks of the occupation in which security in Baghdad collapsed chaos ruled the streets and the fledgling occupation authority daily issued conflicting statements and made promises it did not keep were fiasco they proved an enormous boon to violent opponents providing them in lawless streets of post-war Iraq the litical equivalent of a warm petri dish in which to grow it had been based on the threat of weapons of mass destruction which turned out not to have existed it was based also on a promise given by the political leadership of the Bush administration to the American people that the war would be as one Bush Ally put it a cakewalk both of those promises were proved in the first months of the war to be egregiously tragically terribly wrong suddenly the Americans were caught in a kind of existential lonely world of the present where are we why are we fighting why did we come here when will we leave the enemy in Iraq in other words is dynamic and changeable a shadowy and loose group of forces made up of former officers and soldiers of the vast security and intelligence organs of the ancien régime foreign-born jihadis our ideological commandos who have slipped into Iraq from Saudi Arabia Syria and other Islamic countries determined to confront and defeat the United States and perhaps increasingly young unemployed Iraqis angry at the American occupation and the difficulties that have brought eager to avenge a relative’s death or a personal affront are simply desperate to earn some easy money by hiring themselves out to attack Americans when you look at the goals of al-qaeda when they attack the United States on 9/11 what was the goal exactly first of all to create this enormous image or kind of recruiting poster for jihadism the image of the towers falling the image of the towers attack but secondly it was to draw the United States out of its hole as one of the al-qaeda theorists put it it was to in their ambition to drag the United States into a quagmire in Afghanistan and like the Soviets before them we are going to defeat the United States on the battlefield in Afghanistan that was their thought well of course the u.s. did not occupy Afghanistan right away and the way they expected they did something much more beneficial to the jihadist cause they occupied Iraq and they provided day after day month after month telegenic images of American troops abusing Muslims this was exactly what al-qaeda wanted to create if you look at the images from Abu Ghraib they might as well be recruitment posters made on Madison Avenue for the jihadi cause the first result of that was insurgency itself the second result of it is Isis because Isis of course is the child the descendant of al-qaeda in Iraq or al-qaeda in Mesopotamia or al-qaeda of the two rivers whatever name you’d like to use it is a result of Sunni hatred dissatisfaction and vulnerability at the new order in Iraq that Iraqis loyal to a security obsessed totalitarian regime of three decades would seek to fight the Americans who have overthrown it is not surprising nor should it be surprising that jihadis from outside and inside Iraq should seize the opportunity to attack infidels occupying an Islamic country what is surprising is the degree to which the Americans through their own lack of attention to the critical political tasks of the wars aftermath have in effect assisted their efforts what was the basic political task of the occupation of Iraq it was to somehow switch power from the Sunni minority to the Shia majority and to do it in the way that the Sunnis would accept it non-violently in fact if you look at the early days of the occupation everything the Americans did seems to have been pointed toward the opposite goal the Americans acted again and again by dissolving the army by deep pacifying the country by doing a number of very stupid policies they acted again and again to enrage the Sunnis to make them more vulnerable to make them think they had to fight because a key part of the insurgency even though that we think now of ISIL is the Islamic state that is mainly jihadist in fact it has a key cadre a key level of functioning that comes from the Iraqi army all of whom came from this relatively successful very large army that we dissolved with very little thought beforehand and sent four hundred thousand young men onto the streets without any salaries and with simply their guns so we humiliated these people we laid the seeds down for the insurgency without a doubt in effect the United States created Isis nothing like it existed before the American occupation it was an insurgency that battened on the hatred of the Americans and the vulnerability and hatred of the Sunnis for the Shia there’s no way to understand it happening without the Americans there because it built itself like a kind of bacterial host on the American occupation we created it it’s ours and now we’re trying to deal with the consequences not for the first time the United States has shown itself to be a strange hybrid creature military giant and political dwarf but Iraq is not Lebanon from which the US could sail away and invade Grenada the stakes are much higher in the words of Hassan Salameh the former Lebanese government minister and scholar who was working for the UN headquarters in Baghdad when it was bombed you can’t just get up and walk away from a rock like you did Lebanon no matter how bad it gets if a rock turns into anarchy it’s likely to spill into the rest of the Gulf it would be a catastrophe I think it is a self-fulfilling prophecy watch out while what you wish for you will create it and that is exactly what the United States ended up doing once the u.s. began striking Isis from the air in August 2014 it was an enormous surge in Islamic state recruitment pirates reported that in the six weeks after those airstrikes began Isis had recruited 6,000 jihadis a huge number in a group that’s supposed to number twenty to thirty thousand fifteen hundred of those or foreign fighters so I think the central perception from the beginning that the Iraq war was a dumb idea not simply because it was going to be a lot harder and a lot more complicated than it was advertised as being but it was a dumb idea because ideologically it was the stupidest thing that the United States could do but now we’re in the new war and this is the war that we’re going to lose indeed it may be that the United States with its overwhelming military power as seated only in transforming an eventual and speculative threat into a concrete and immediate one now the Bush administration finds itself trying to perform the tightrope walk of building a stable and friendly government beneath the shadow of escalating violence and growing an inevitable nationalism the administration began its Iraq venture with an era of absolute determination taking a kind of grim pride defying the United Nations and doing what is right American Iraq will need a different kind of determination now and a newfound honesty to go with it don’t start a major policy until you know how you’re going to finish it because when I look at this war against the Islamic state I don’t think our leaders know how it’s going to finish and it’s going to be carried to the next administration and who knows how far it will go and at the moment our actions are helping this group recruit dramatically if we look at the Islamic state in Iraq I think there is a fair amount of evidence that it would have collapsed in certain parts of Iraq of its own interior internal contradictions I think that the United States if it has learned anything it should have learned to stop acting against its own best interests and I think that the US has not learned that you

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  1. If we didn't overreact and did nothing after 9/11 then we would not only look weak but the public pressure would mount up and when we did react and try to do something we created our enemy . It seems whatever we do in the long run we are fucked

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  2. From a grand historical standpoint, it has been the muslims that were the biggest aggressors. Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Egypt… all these Middle Eastern lands saving for Saudi Arabia used to be Christian, before the brutal Islamic conquest. And even today, the muslims are forcing their Sharia Law upon the neighborhoods of Europe and America, as gratuity to the generosity of their adopting countries. So don’t tell me that the West invaded the Islamic World. The muslims expanded their religion by bloodshed AT THE FIRST PLACE – which was completely different from the peaceful persuasion of Christianity in the Roman Empire, and the peaceful exchange of Buddhism from India to China.

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  3. startling how people aren't getting the point of what this is. It's not stating that the US directly created ISIS, but INDIRECTLY DID.

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  4. This guy is a writer and he always was against U.S.A. even in the Cold War he was pro communism. His name is Mark Danner a left winger and he’s another Michael Moore so there you have it another shit story about about U.S.

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  5. Iraq was always a pat of the plan behind 911.
    ISIS is the proxy military of the Freemasonic Brotherhood of Luciferians along with the Synagogue of Satan.
    They are using Islam as their scapegoat to rule the world.
    Terrible times are here and will grow in intensity.
    The 5th stage of the great tribulation will soon break out. Which translates to Christian persecution worldwide, including America, rightly referred to by Islam as the great Satan.

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  6. 9/11, Isis TTP all anti Muslims so called Islamic terrorist organizations are the product of US somewhere for the hegemony while at some point for oil and other assets….
    So the greatest terrorist is actually the US itself and I'm not hesitating by calling US as terrorist state their ppl are good I'm with them they're very justice and great mannered ppl but their Pentagon cia and political leadership are the terrorists…US ppl should betray them

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  7. This is pure propaganda! Vice knows nothing of the Islamic Caliphate neither Islam nor of Arab culture before and after prophet Muhammad. Prior to the formation of America it' s founding Fathers were at war with the Islamic Ottoman Empire. https://youtu.be/TFxNPvns7nU. https://youtu.be/FtonRCbSq_E. https://youtu.be/FtonRCbSq_E

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  8. Arabs Promotes Salafi Wahabism which forcefully try to impose Caliphate but Kill ppl and Shias US is an Ally of Saud . AL Qaeda Made in Saudia Laden was American Hero against Soviets Attacked Trade Tower along with Bush and co . ISIS never went against Israel Who gave them Guns !

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  9. when we condemn isis which is a cult of death and destruction, we must condemn too the united states which too is a cult of death and destruction

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    MEANING:

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  11. Excuse me? Isis never existed before the west got involved? Isis was an historic ancient empire. Islamist terror attacks occured long before 911 and long before we invaded iraq.

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  12. Can't believe this actually being shown. By VICE… By all means a round of applause 👏 but the fact that 911 is still portrayed as caused by planes 😑 STEEL.COLUMNS.WERE.MELTED.IT.WAS.A.CONTROLLED.DETONATION

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  13. if u present anyone, even the staunchest conservative, with the following scenario, they would agree with you. is it not expected, that children, whose non-military parents were killed by military enemies would feel justified in war? wouldn't you expect a child, whose sibling died under the detainment of a foreign government, because their parents decided to cross the border, fell justified in otherwise unspeakable acts? i can't see how this ends well for us. if we were at war with iraq and iraq dropped bombs on civilians, and one of those civilians was a family member,

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  14. I served in Afghanistan. It was a war that was fought for no reason. We may have pushed back the Taliban,but God knows what’s gonna arise next.

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  15. What? The US created ISIS?! But I thought Obama told us that we were supporting the "PrO DeMoCrAcY RebeLs" in Syria! Are u saying he fooled us for years and he was supporting terrorists all this time ?

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  16. That wasnt even what happened they exploited them for business and it wasnt even the "Usa" it was rogue white men from other lands and countries across the earth they do that to other people they go and step on toes "lie" and get blessed and or have some form of relgious experience then wonder why after the fact
    And then "they" act brand new and change face or act fake or play it off has if nothing happened at all that's why everybody gets disgusted or disturbed with them they just can't believe they bring all that Mal function and problems and act like if its nothing

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  17. It’s very idiotic how people bash us Muslims for being devout muslims😂calling us “isis/taliban/al qaeda”🤦🏽‍♀️ think twice before calling us terrorist names created by the former president Obama and Hillary as well.

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  18. “I don’t see the difference between the wrong and the wrong soldiers emptying their clips at little kids and their mom are just like a desperate ISIS Motherfucka atrapes to a bomb”-/Immortal Technique

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  19. Well actually your going on about this as if america made i.s accidentally. We all know it was set up purposely by the west.all the infrastucture of the i.s regime. Like the west set up wahabism in saudiarabia. Seems odd that israel is always helping isis out. Even giving them medical help. And israel was getting apologies from isis when accidently fired on by them. Obama refised to bomb isis truck convoys of oil they were stealing from iraq and selling abroad. What was obamas excuse? Oh the isis convoys are just family men!!!! These are statements of obama. But shock and awe and drine strikes on civilians is acceptable. Oh and lets not forget all of isis i.p accounts were traced back to britians intelligemce service

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  20. It is called Persian Gulf! How could a writer be so illiterate not to know the name of the most important gulf in the world?! If they haven't taught you this, go take a look into historical documents. It is Persian Gulf and it will be Persian Gulf forever. You can never change it by throwing Arab's money at it.

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  21. "nothing like it existed before the occupation."
    An extremist caliphate. Alot of extremeist caliphates came out over history. You didn't 'invent' a Islamic state trying to unite and destroy the "infidels"

    Though, America caused them to gain such power, I agree.

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  22. isis wont exist if the US wasnt hungry and obsess with crude oil and instead of finding it in their own country they invafe other.

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  23. Why do you create isis why why do you know what did you do. First you destroy Iraq and create isis to fight side by side you and isis. Second you transport isis to Syria to destroy it all. Third you want all the world be your sleeves that can't be. And now you must delete isis from the world its your military toy so your are the most dangerous country I've ever seen and heard. Thats what you want that will God bring it to you what a shame did you to your self.

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  24. I love reading comments. They give you a lot of conflicting thoughts that might inspires you to do a great lot of research.

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  25. ISIS are not Sunni, they are Wahabi/Salafi. We Sunni Muslims have nothing to do with ISIS or Wahabism. They have hijacked the name Sunni but their ideology is far different to ours.

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  26. *How the U.S. created (al CIAda ) al Qaeda*, in 1979 against communist Afghanistan Table of content of this Video:

    Part one: founding and funding: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNeCHDbMeoo&t=0m10s

    National Security Advisor to the US President Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski foreign policy adviser of Obama www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNeCHDbMeoo&t=0m36s

    Brzezinski in Pakistan ralleying to set up secretly Al Qaeda: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNeCHDbMeoo&t=1m13s

    CIA did spent estim. 3-20 billion US$ for the creation of Mujahedeen/ Al CAIda for invading and topling the Communist Afghanistan Government and other countries. www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNeCHDbMeoo&t=2m05s

    Not the Soviets were the invaders in Afghanistan, U.S. did hire Jihadists from Pakistan for their hidden proxy invasion there – Brzezinski's confession: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNeCHDbMeoo&t=3m45s

    They used Al Qaida, Al CIAda further in their wars on Yugoslavia (Bosnia,Kosovo 1992-1999), Chechnya, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Sudan, Jemen, Mali, in Egypt etc. as "Muslim Brotherhood" In Europe they use the Western fascists of the #GLADIO network of NATO, like in Ukraine.

    Actually they are quite similar: killer mercenaries (much cheaper and even more dumb and brutal than US soldiers), religious-fascist ideology.This Shows How the US created (al CIAda ) al Qaeda before Russians came to help the attacked communist government of Afghanistan.

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  27. Well, people use your brains, it's not like these Terrorists make their own weapons from the desert rubble to defeat well trained Marines and soldiers.

    The training and weapons are supplied by someone that someone is really interested in the oil!!

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  28. Isis was created to oust bashar al assad but russia stepped in and ruined the us gov/israels plan. Now they are going after Iran

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  29. luckily, the Russian and Iranian governments intervention against the isis and al qaeda has finished and limited the business of global terrorists although it has costed thousands of innocent lives and material and financial expenses.

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  30. This is bullshit. Vice is pretending the US didn’t intend to create isis but blame it on bad decisions.

    Rather it is a matter of fact that many Iraqi army officials state that the US was arming isis directly. They even air lifted isis commanders from isis enclaves that was surrounded by the Iraqi army.

    The US armed ISIS with a cloak called “arming Syrian rebels”

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  31. You are freaking correct!! You Americans created it. You messed up because you think these people are stupid! You messed up their minds and now you dont know how to end them. Americans really are the smartest.

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  32. After Iraq Iran War and Iraq USA War, USA paid the Sunni Wahhabi and made Islamic State. Then they took Syria . Now Yemen and Saudi Arabia War America supplying Weapons in Saudi Arabia. Next is Iran and so on. RIP Middle East. Russia and USA are Smelling Oil.

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  33. well…Shias rounded up US shit in Surya and Iraq!Hail to my Sunny brothers who separated themselves from ISIS and Alqaida

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  34. It's true US are lured to involve in Iraq to create a battlefield and grave for US led soldier's. If Iraq,Syria, would had been in hands of Saddam and Asad there would not have been possible of such present day destruction. For sake Oils all these are happening and actually US doesn't want peace in Gulf region inorder to purchase cheap oils by creating turmoil in the region with best possible way.

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  35. Is not truth, ISIS is created by Mohammad the “prophet” of Islam, all what they do is in coran and done about Mohammad

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  36. Not true THE CLOWN MBS AND HIS FAMILY with the help of British and The Wahhabi's did….. Look at the map of so called "Saudi Arabia" before 1900's no such name existed IT WAS CALLED "NAJD"….

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